I recently wrote an article for Jetson Green about the ecobee programmable thermostat (which Matt Grocoff (Greenovation TV) first brought to my attention after he saw it at this year’s Greenbuild. It’s a nice programmable thermostat with wireless connectivity and a number of other good features.
But then, earlier this week, I saw a bunch of posts (including one at Jetson Green that I didn’t write) about another programmable thermostat called Nest that learns about the house over time. It’s also a nice thermostat with a more user-friendly appearance and a number of appealing features.
Of the two, I’m more intrigued by the Nest thermostat. The ecobee sort of struck me as a basic programmable thermostat with some nice features tacked on to it (WiFi connection, color display), but not much to really justify the $300-$400 price. The Nest doesn’t necessarily do a whole lot more, but the adaptive learning that it does perform is certainly intriguing, and the suggested price of $250 is lower than that of ecobee.
I’m less certain that the little green leaf displayed by Leaf is as useful as it is touted. The product literature says the leaf lights up “when you are saving energy,” but does that just mean it’s lit up when the furnace (or AC) is cycled off? Does that really help?
I’m interested in finding out more about how both of these perform in real-world applications, so I will be looking for real users stories about these. Of course, as I said in my article about the ecobee, “…many programmable thermostats are, in fact, never programmed and consequently, the benefits and savings that could come from having it aren’t realized. A smart appliance like this will only save energy (and money) for you if you use it intelligently.”
Edit to add: After writing about these here, I adapted this and posted another piece for EcoGeek about these thermostats.
10.27.2011 at 9:44 am
Full disclosure, I am an employee of ecobee. With regards to your last comment on programmable thermostats never being programmed let me share some statistics that we know about our users;
Over 80% of our customers are running a program – this is due to our simple UI, programming wizard and web portal access.
We save our customers 26% on their energy consumption through our intelligent algorithms resulting in an average cost savings of about $500 per year.
70% of our users who have downloaded our app log into it at least once a week.
96% of ecobee users would recommend ecobee to their friends.
We can site these statistics because we have tens of thousands of our products installed in homes and businesses across North America and we diligently track and maintain usage. The ecobee line of WiFi enabled Smart Thermostats, online web portals and smart phone apps are proven to be the easiest way to reduce our customers energy consumption.
Please keep us informed of your findings of real-world applications. We certainly know how ecobee performs, time will tell with our competition.
10.27.2011 at 11:05 am
Thanks for that information, Chris.
I’m curious what people are doing when they log in weekly. Are they changing settings that frequently?
What percentage of your installations are in businesses? I was thinking about this and wrote my comments largely from a residential perspective, but the commercial application of this is well worth considering. I’d be interested in seeing more about that side of ecobee.
10.27.2011 at 1:45 pm
The predominant activity on the app is changing the temperature setting – EX arriving home from work early and making a change in temp to ensure my home is comfortable when I arrive.
The ecobee Energy Management System (EMS) is designed for the commercial market. We are seeing very strong growth with the EMS in locations where a programmable thermostat is not enough and a full blown BAS is too complex and expensive. Some locations where we are installed – McDonald’s, Taco Bell, Harley Davidson, Kitchen Stuff Plus (retailer) and many more. At this time we do not have a smart phone app for the EMS but it is in development.
Happy to go into more detail on the EMS if you are interested – white papers can be found at http://www.ecobee.com/support/white-papers/?product=ems
Hope this helps!